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		<title>By: heraclitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a very thoughtful and lovely post.  While my original article may have gone over the top in some places, I ultimately hope that more people may be inspired to think about these questions and consider the various options, as you clearly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a very thoughtful and lovely post.  While my original article may have gone over the top in some places, I ultimately hope that more people may be inspired to think about these questions and consider the various options, as you clearly do.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, is there room in this discussion for the thoughts of a composer?  In my trade, one of our oft-overlooked but most powerful tools is the humble rest.  Well placed by a composer more concerned with passion than convention, a rest can bring life to a humdrum passage of music.  Observed with sensitivity by a performer, a rest can animate a passage of simple 8th notes, or lift a listener&#039;s heart.

What interests me about this discussion are the accusations of people being wrong, or outdated, or stupid, when in fact they are merely engaging in nonconformity.  It made me wince to hear some of the writers make fun of older people, as if they needed to either modernize or go away and die.

In my world, nonconformity is not evil; it is interesting.  Whether an artist chooses to use traditional or modern tools is less important than how those tools are utilized by the unique person who wields them.  If a composer chooses to use more or less silence in a piece of music, or to place more or less space between phrases, it isn&#039;t right or wrong.  It is a choice.

If I enjoy more space between sentences when I am reading, it may be because I want to savor the sentences.  Perhaps the extra space on the page encourages me to take a moment and let the words settle within me.  Maybe it helps me hear the writer&#039;s voice.  Right?  Wrong?  Ridiculous?  Efficient?  I don&#039;t know, but as Mahatma Gandhi famously said, &quot;There is more to life than speeding it up.&quot;

So many thoughtful people have taken part in this discussion, including the original post which sought to understand the sensibilities of writers and typographers over the centuries.  I enjoyed especially the posts of people who were listening deeply to one another.  Thank you for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, is there room in this discussion for the thoughts of a composer?  In my trade, one of our oft-overlooked but most powerful tools is the humble rest.  Well placed by a composer more concerned with passion than convention, a rest can bring life to a humdrum passage of music.  Observed with sensitivity by a performer, a rest can animate a passage of simple 8th notes, or lift a listener&#8217;s heart.</p>
<p>What interests me about this discussion are the accusations of people being wrong, or outdated, or stupid, when in fact they are merely engaging in nonconformity.  It made me wince to hear some of the writers make fun of older people, as if they needed to either modernize or go away and die.</p>
<p>In my world, nonconformity is not evil; it is interesting.  Whether an artist chooses to use traditional or modern tools is less important than how those tools are utilized by the unique person who wields them.  If a composer chooses to use more or less silence in a piece of music, or to place more or less space between phrases, it isn&#8217;t right or wrong.  It is a choice.</p>
<p>If I enjoy more space between sentences when I am reading, it may be because I want to savor the sentences.  Perhaps the extra space on the page encourages me to take a moment and let the words settle within me.  Maybe it helps me hear the writer&#8217;s voice.  Right?  Wrong?  Ridiculous?  Efficient?  I don&#8217;t know, but as Mahatma Gandhi famously said, &#8220;There is more to life than speeding it up.&#8221;</p>
<p>So many thoughtful people have taken part in this discussion, including the original post which sought to understand the sensibilities of writers and typographers over the centuries.  I enjoyed especially the posts of people who were listening deeply to one another.  Thank you for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kuma</title>
		<link>http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324&#038;cpage=1#comment-9878</link>
		<dc:creator>Kuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic article.  I am totally with you in that I have learnt to accept that many people will single space after a full stop, even though I, personally, prefer two spaces.  

It is noteworthy that the APA in its latest style-guide (sixth edition) has changed its position and now recommends two spaces after a full-stop.  Their argument (with which I concur) is that readability is enhanced.

With the caveat that I&#039;m not a professional typographer (I&#039;m actually more centred on mathematics and economics, particularly in terms of academic papers), I find that two spaces aids readability.  It seems logical to me, perhaps coming from a mathematical bent, to differentiate the full stop that comes after an initial, with the full stop that comes after the end of a sentence.  To my mind, these are different characters, even though they look the same.  

I also speak Japanese and it seems similar to the argument for using different kanji characters to represent different ideas, even though they sound the same phonetically and would appear on a page identically if they were written in a phonetic kana syllabary.  Differentiating different words by using Chinese characters (meaning that I also side with the kanji traditionalists against the &quot;let&#039;s just write Japanese in kana/romaji&quot; crowd) gives clarity.

I was taught to type by the Royal Navy in 1979 and was taught the two-space rule.  Having followed some of the more hysterical rants about double-spacing, I was convinced that the practice did originate with the advent of the typewriter.  So, what I particularly enjoyed about this article was the typographic history, and how differentiating an end-of-sentence full stop through the use of an em-quad was actually prevalent, accepted and encouraged long before the advent of the typewriter.  I had, hitherto, completely bought into the false history of the more judgemental one-spacers, who had convinced me as a die-hard two-spacer that I was simply an historical anachronism.  Now I can view myself as a traditionalist, following the good work of Caslon et al.

I two-space simply because I feel double spacing is more aesthetically pleasing and makes text more readable.  Others may disagree, and I respect their differing opinion.  But I take extreme umbrage when my typographical choices are criticized, particularly if the criticism comes from people who don&#039;t write well, don’t know what kerning is, and can’t identify a serif.  Having said that, some of my best friends are one-spacers and the one-spacer contribution here has been very civil indeed.  I&#039;m with the author on tolerance, notwithstanding that I, too, find the re-writing of typographic history offensive.

Perhaps, one day, as in these comments, little double-spacing boys and double-spacing girls will be able to join hands with little single-spacing boys and single-spacing girls as sisters and brothers.  And those that are emphatic, on either side of the argument, will be seen for what they are.  Bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic article.  I am totally with you in that I have learnt to accept that many people will single space after a full stop, even though I, personally, prefer two spaces.  </p>
<p>It is noteworthy that the APA in its latest style-guide (sixth edition) has changed its position and now recommends two spaces after a full-stop.  Their argument (with which I concur) is that readability is enhanced.</p>
<p>With the caveat that I&#8217;m not a professional typographer (I&#8217;m actually more centred on mathematics and economics, particularly in terms of academic papers), I find that two spaces aids readability.  It seems logical to me, perhaps coming from a mathematical bent, to differentiate the full stop that comes after an initial, with the full stop that comes after the end of a sentence.  To my mind, these are different characters, even though they look the same.  </p>
<p>I also speak Japanese and it seems similar to the argument for using different kanji characters to represent different ideas, even though they sound the same phonetically and would appear on a page identically if they were written in a phonetic kana syllabary.  Differentiating different words by using Chinese characters (meaning that I also side with the kanji traditionalists against the &#8220;let&#8217;s just write Japanese in kana/romaji&#8221; crowd) gives clarity.</p>
<p>I was taught to type by the Royal Navy in 1979 and was taught the two-space rule.  Having followed some of the more hysterical rants about double-spacing, I was convinced that the practice did originate with the advent of the typewriter.  So, what I particularly enjoyed about this article was the typographic history, and how differentiating an end-of-sentence full stop through the use of an em-quad was actually prevalent, accepted and encouraged long before the advent of the typewriter.  I had, hitherto, completely bought into the false history of the more judgemental one-spacers, who had convinced me as a die-hard two-spacer that I was simply an historical anachronism.  Now I can view myself as a traditionalist, following the good work of Caslon et al.</p>
<p>I two-space simply because I feel double spacing is more aesthetically pleasing and makes text more readable.  Others may disagree, and I respect their differing opinion.  But I take extreme umbrage when my typographical choices are criticized, particularly if the criticism comes from people who don&#8217;t write well, don’t know what kerning is, and can’t identify a serif.  Having said that, some of my best friends are one-spacers and the one-spacer contribution here has been very civil indeed.  I&#8217;m with the author on tolerance, notwithstanding that I, too, find the re-writing of typographic history offensive.</p>
<p>Perhaps, one day, as in these comments, little double-spacing boys and double-spacing girls will be able to join hands with little single-spacing boys and single-spacing girls as sisters and brothers.  And those that are emphatic, on either side of the argument, will be seen for what they are.  Bigots.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Friedman</title>
		<link>http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324&#038;cpage=1#comment-9814</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  I&#039;d just like to add that I have a few books printed in the 1970s, and the ones I&#039;ve measured seem to have about 1.5 spaces after sentences.  Books from the present century, of course, have 1 space, but I think en-quad spacing lasted a lot longer than you say above.

I don&#039;t notice the difference in books, but on a computer screen I can get jarred when Mr. Doe has no more space after the &quot;Mr.&quot; than before.  In TeX I leave the extra space on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  I&#8217;d just like to add that I have a few books printed in the 1970s, and the ones I&#8217;ve measured seem to have about 1.5 spaces after sentences.  Books from the present century, of course, have 1 space, but I think en-quad spacing lasted a lot longer than you say above.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t notice the difference in books, but on a computer screen I can get jarred when Mr. Doe has no more space after the &#8220;Mr.&#8221; than before.  In TeX I leave the extra space on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Charlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud the research and effort that went into this article.  I did note the mention of spacing as a parsing device.  I believe the intelligent use of space provides clarity and simplifies the assimilation of information.  Moreover, a work is defined as much by the words it employs as by its use of space.  As with any form of art I believe the pursuit of a finite set of rules will be in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the research and effort that went into this article.  I did note the mention of spacing as a parsing device.  I believe the intelligent use of space provides clarity and simplifies the assimilation of information.  Moreover, a work is defined as much by the words it employs as by its use of space.  As with any form of art I believe the pursuit of a finite set of rules will be in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: heraclitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been studies that appear to support both sides.  Some studies say spacing doesn&#039;t matter.  A few other studies seem to indicate that larger spaces either have a positive or negative impact.  Overall, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a question you can consider outside of other formatting issues (typeface, line spacing, text width, etc.).  Depending on the overall formatting of the text, there might be a small impact one way or another.  But I think any small negative impact on readability can probably be balanced by making other alterations to the text formatting.

Personally, I think slightly wider spaces after punctuation do improve a reader&#039;s ability to group phrases and sentences together, and I think that&#039;s where the historical traditions came from.  But I think it&#039;s a relatively small effect, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s always relevant for all possible page layouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been studies that appear to support both sides.  Some studies say spacing doesn&#8217;t matter.  A few other studies seem to indicate that larger spaces either have a positive or negative impact.  Overall, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a question you can consider outside of other formatting issues (typeface, line spacing, text width, etc.).  Depending on the overall formatting of the text, there might be a small impact one way or another.  But I think any small negative impact on readability can probably be balanced by making other alterations to the text formatting.</p>
<p>Personally, I think slightly wider spaces after punctuation do improve a reader&#8217;s ability to group phrases and sentences together, and I think that&#8217;s where the historical traditions came from.  But I think it&#8217;s a relatively small effect, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s always relevant for all possible page layouts.</p>
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		<title>By: heraclitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heraclitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A valid point.  The word &quot;junk&quot; in this context definitely comes across as judgmental.  I will change it to something more neutral.  Honestly, I don&#039;t actually judge typography much unless I decide to look for it.  I am aware of it, and I can choose to critique it if I want to, but unless I&#039;m producing it, I rarely think much about it.  

My point wasn&#039;t that &quot;normal&quot; people are producing &quot;junk,&quot; but rather that many people who are certain that particular typographical concerns (like sentence spacing) make the difference between &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot; typography often don&#039;t know much about the other stuff that is just as useful in making text readable and even beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A valid point.  The word &#8220;junk&#8221; in this context definitely comes across as judgmental.  I will change it to something more neutral.  Honestly, I don&#8217;t actually judge typography much unless I decide to look for it.  I am aware of it, and I can choose to critique it if I want to, but unless I&#8217;m producing it, I rarely think much about it.  </p>
<p>My point wasn&#8217;t that &#8220;normal&#8221; people are producing &#8220;junk,&#8221; but rather that many people who are certain that particular typographical concerns (like sentence spacing) make the difference between &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221; typography often don&#8217;t know much about the other stuff that is just as useful in making text readable and even beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very informative and you went to a lot of trouble to make your point. I will continue to use one space simply because it saves me space to write a little more and is much more aesthetically pleasing. Gaps between sentences, especially when you start with an &quot;A&quot;, look too open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very informative and you went to a lot of trouble to make your point. I will continue to use one space simply because it saves me space to write a little more and is much more aesthetically pleasing. Gaps between sentences, especially when you start with an &#8220;A&#8221;, look too open.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned the 2-space rule when I took typing class in high school . . . in the 1980&#039;s!!!  I currently work in the legal world and continue to use 2 spaces at the end of sentence.  In fact, most Courts require it on pleadings filed with the Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned the 2-space rule when I took typing class in high school . . . in the 1980&#8242;s!!!  I currently work in the legal world and continue to use 2 spaces at the end of sentence.  In fact, most Courts require it on pleadings filed with the Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby J</title>
		<link>http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324&#038;cpage=1#comment-9751</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely hilarious that you finish up with &quot;stop judging people&quot;, then in the *very next sentence* say &quot;Because, really, if you’re not a typographer, chances are the junk you’re producing in MS Word or whatever...&quot;

Judge people much?

This is why &quot;normal&quot; people look at people who obsess and rant about the width of a space after a period as self-important navel-gazers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely hilarious that you finish up with &#8220;stop judging people&#8221;, then in the *very next sentence* say &#8220;Because, really, if you’re not a typographer, chances are the junk you’re producing in MS Word or whatever&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Judge people much?</p>
<p>This is why &#8220;normal&#8221; people look at people who obsess and rant about the width of a space after a period as self-important navel-gazers.</p>
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